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Question: Still tired with CPAP treatment. What is wrong?

by Ron Gronowski
(Traverse City, Michigan)

I use my Cpap machine every evening, but I still am tired during the day. What is wrong?


Answer


There are a lot of problems that can appear when you use the CPAP machine. It would be great if you give more information about your symptoms after you wake up.

  • First, you need to figure out if it is the CPAP mask. The DME should have someone who can help with the mask. Once you find the right mask, then see if that is enough to make you feel better.

    If not, then you need to go back to the physician who diagnosed you and started your CPAP and get more help. You need to be assertive (not agressive) and for goodness sake, don't be passive.

    You deserve to understand what is happening and why and you need to understand the properties of the machine and masks.

    The mask should be snug but not tight and conform to your face without allowing large air leaks. You and your DME representative need to work together to find one that fits you well (my DME rep has OSA and is very familiar with the problems-he really helped me find the right mask despite being somewhat beholden to the brand names required by my insurance).

    Most masks come in small, medium, and large. Some have various parts that come in all 3 sizes and can be mixed and matched to conform to your specific face type.

    Some CPAP machines have smart cards with software - "data capable" machine that is able to give you an AHI number; just check the leak on that particular night, and AHI index, to know if you have a good mask fit or not.

    Not all machines are data capable, but in the menu it would show your recorded AHI number. An AHI of <5 and you have a small (approprate for the mask you have, see that mask manual for this number at you given pressure) leak rate you might just be still ajusting to wearing CPAP.


  • What is your new pressure requirements and what type of mask are you using?

    If you're using a nasal mask of some sort and having dry mouth problems it's likely you are opening your mouth in your sleep and this will render your treatment ineffective.

    If you're using a full face mask then you may want to increase the humidity some (assuming you have a humidifier).


  • Here is another situation where you can have ineffective CPAP therapy: sometimes the CPAP pressure is not enough. It could mean that your pressure is not high enough.


    Do you have the results of your sleep study and titration? Check out the test results from the sleep lab to see if there is anything obvious.

    Then, make (if they haven't made one) a follow up appointment with the Sleep Physician. You might have to go back to your primary/Family Doctor to do this. Tell the Sleep Physician the things you are experiencing and they should be able to offer some courses of action.



The real deal in many cases is that if you still have a problem, the sleep lab doctor can readjust your treatment without another sleep study, because he is the one who can make this decision based on your test which he can read and reread, but any other sleep uncertified doctor will not be able to take such a leap because of the liability (or simply he doesn't know) , so if you have a complaint, his only option is reorder another sleep study-

Even though, they are ususally reluctant to send you straight back to another sleep study, they ususally will investigate other areas based on their specialities first (neurology or ENT) and if all fail (which usually do) then and only then they will transfer you to another study.

So it is waste of time and many cases waste of money to have another study that could be saved if you are with the sleep certified doctor from the beginning. someone who can read your sleep study and make a decision and doesn't depend on another doctor


I hope that helps you in your journey.

Remy

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Question: Still tired with CPAP treatment. What is wrong?

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Jul 24, 2011
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by: Anonymous

I had been sleep deprived for over 35 years. The two years before the study I was waking 5 to 16 times a night to pee - because I was so restless during the night. I finally had a sleep study done about 1 1/2 years ago and I had high hopes for some actual sleep. However, afterwards I was still feeling AWFUL in the morning. I would "sleep" for 8 to 10 hours and it would still take me 3 to 4 hours to become alert in the morning.
We finally discovered that it was my nigh time pain medication that was causing me to feel dopy and exhausted. The titration on my CPAP has been dropped just a bit and I am doing much better. Keep looking at all the factors in your life until you find the right one.

Aug 27, 2010
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my answer
by: ApeaxSZ

I guess an important question here is, yes you feel more tired in the morning, but do you feel less tired throughout the day?

I just came to this realization that most mornings where I sleep a full night with the machine I actually feel MORE groggy in the morning than without it.

My theory, and I'm not doctor, is that because I actually got deep, restorative sleep that night my body is recovering from that and 'waking up'.

On nights where I take the mask off early in the night and sleep without it, I wake up feeling more alert. I think that because I don't ever reach the deep, restorative stage 3, 4 and REM sleep my body just stays more awake.

The difference for me is that although I am more groggy in the morning I feel MUCH more rested and alert after I wake up some.

Aug 27, 2010
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any answer?
by: Anonymous

Have any of you gotten any answers about why you are more tired after CPAP? I have a mild case of OSA (AHA of 9.9) and have been using CPAP at a level of 10 since 5/5/09.

After the first month with no relief, I went back to my doctor (a neurologist). He scheduled me for a battery of blood tests and a brain MRI - everything came back normal. I told him I feel worse after sleeping with the CPAP, so he suggested I try in for two weeks without it to see if any difference.

Without the machine, I wake up 4-5 times each night, so I'm tired in the morning. With it, I don't seem to wake up at all, but feel MORE tired in the morning. So last night he scheduled me for another sleep study to check the pressure, to be followed by the MLST (nap test) today if the pressure was ok.

Well, they played with the pressure last night and got it up to 17, so they said I didn't need the MLST today. The tech said I got a good amount of sleep and a lot of REM, but I feel worse today than I have in the last 3 months.

At one point in the test last night, I had to ask them to turn the pressure down - I felt like I was suffocating, almost drowning with too much air pressure. Any insight would be helpful.

Aug 27, 2010
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Strange...
by: Echit

I have been using a CPAP for a month and really feel no difference. Hard to compare it to anything as the first 7-10 days were really uncomfortable due to getting used the the nasal pillows I use.

I do find I dream most nights (at least I remember some) which is more than I remembered previously, but I really do not feel the "way better" I was told I should feel when using the CPAP. I also do not sleep very long - maybe 5-6 hours as compared to the 7.5-9 I usually slept before. There is no way I can go that long now. Strange...

Aug 27, 2010
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by: Snorq

I started using a CPAP last week, and I'm more tired than I was when I wasn't using it.

The readings from the machine indicate that my breathing isn't stopping nearly as much when I use it, though.

So I assume the machine is doing what it is supposed to do, and I just need to get used to it.

Aug 27, 2010
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funny situation
by: Anonymous

I found the problem--the wiring in my house was faulty so that the power to the CPAP was irregular. Thank goodness we found out before the wiring started a fire!

After the rewiring, the machine is quiet, gives me a strong flow of air and the mask has stopped that sucking bit.

Aug 27, 2010
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you should look for...
by: Sleepy

Those who don't see success should look for mask removal, open mouths, mask leaks, non-detection of micro events, further underlying problems due to years of maladjusted hormones due to recurrent hypoxia from months or years of prior sleeping. It may take time for hormones to re-adjust.

I'd recommend a separate and simultaneous pulse oximeter test (you can usually borrow the equipment for free overnight). Just remember to turn the alarm feature to OFF so it doesn't beep at you during the night.

Aug 27, 2010
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I had the same problem
by: Steve

My home care person said it takes 30 days for most people to report feeling better, and when I complained to my sleep doctor about feeling worse, he told me that people with mild sleep apnea seem to take longer to catch up on their sleep debt than people with severe apnea for some unknown reason. I don't know if it's true, but that's what he told me.

I've been feeling better for the last two days, and it's been almost a month for me. I also have mild apnea. I know it's hard while working. I have no sick time left at work, so everytime I call in sick I have to take the day without pay. But you definitely don't want to fall asleep while driving to work.

I was thinking if I wasn't doing well, that maybe I would stop and try it later when I had some vacation time and didn't have to worry about going to work.

Hope you feel better real soon. Hang in there and keep us updated on how you're doing.

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